{"api_version": 1, "episode_id": "ep_consider_this_from_npr_787cc86f0e1c", "title": "What does PEPFAR\u2019s future look like in the Trump administration?", "podcast": "Consider This from NPR", "podcast_slug": "consider_this_from_npr", "category": "news", "publish_date": "2026-04-20T21:03:35+00:00", "audio_url": "https://prfx.byspotify.com/e/play.podtrac.com/npr-510355/npr.simplecastaudio.com/2a4a748e-0a2f-495a-8208-99765f0dad47/episodes/412214dc-f2e9-466b-b6b4-686de0b9dc72/audio/128/default.mp3?awCollectionId=2a4a748e-0a2f-495a-8208-99765f0dad47&awEpisodeId=412214dc-f2e9-466b-b6b4-686de0b9dc72&feed=4XF9Dp_o&t=podcast&e=nx-s1-5791609&p=510355&d=538&size=8615855", "source_link": "https://www.npr.org/2026/04/20/nx-s1-5791609/what-does-pepfars-future-look-like-in-the-trump-administration", "cover_image_url": "https://npr.brightspotcdn.com/dims3/default/strip/false/crop/3000x3000+0+0/resize/3000/quality/66/format/jpg/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnpr-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1a%2F76%2F1734b78f4f2d8208b77547722edc%2F900c4ceb-e169-4480-94d0-8cf3925b067e.jpg", "summary": "Dr. Deborah Birx discusses the impact of the Trump administration's changes to foreign aid on PEPFAR, the U.S. program that has saved nearly 26 million lives from HIV/AIDS. She emphasizes the importance of data-driven strategies in sustaining HIV care and expresses concern over funding uncertainties that could hinder progress in combating the epidemic. 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