{"api_version": 1, "episode_id": "ep_freakonomics_4b4b76945527", "title": "220. \u201cI Don't Know What You've Done With My Husband, But He's a Changed Man.\u201d", "podcast": "Freakonomics Radio", "podcast_slug": "freakonomics", "category": "science", "publish_date": "2015-09-17T03:00:00+00:00", "audio_url": "https://mgln.ai/e/2/pdst.fm/e/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/stitcher.simplecastaudio.com/2be48404-a43c-4fa8-a32c-760a3216272e/episodes/75f10f35-9f0e-4ac4-8ea3-7a64f2310bcd/audio/128/default.mp3?aid=rss_feed&awCollectionId=2be48404-a43c-4fa8-a32c-760a3216272e&awEpisodeId=75f10f35-9f0e-4ac4-8ea3-7a64f2310bcd&feed=Y8lFbOT4", "source_link": "https://freakonomics.com", "cover_image_url": "https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/2be484/2be48404-a43c-4fa8-a32c-760a3216272e/75f10f35-9f0e-4ac4-8ea3-7a64f2310bcd/3000x3000/image.jpg?aid=rss_feed", "summary": "Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) has shown measurable success in rehabilitating former child soldiers in Liberia and reducing crime among at-risk youth in Chicago, with one program cutting violent crime arrests by 44%. 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This audio is from an ABC News report. As rebels fire blindly, some duck for cover.", "originality": "They stumbled somewhat accidentally onto CBT.", "hype_penalty": "I would argue that the evidence we've put forth from Chicago and Liberia and Britain suggests the answer is yes.", "actionability": "So the first year of BAM, saw a forty four percent decline in violent crime arrests and a 36% decline in other non violent, non property, non drug arrests.", "technical_depth": "I think they stumbled somewhat accidentally onto CBT. 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